"Communists were excluded from an Oklahoma Pride festival recently based on an old McCarthyite state law. The incident is a reminder of how easily the Red Scare’s mechanisms for state repression can be revived in 21st-century America."
https://jacobin.com/2023/06/mccarthyite ... e-country/
McCarthyite Laws Targeting Leftists Are Still on the Books Across the US
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delevigne-fan
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What kind of communists? Current CCP supporters, supporters of the North Koreans?
Putin style regime who seek a return to old soviets?
None of these things are good or ever were.
All these are authoritarian regimes in the past and continue to be.
I’d exclude them too.
Classical Marxism?
Never worked as the above shows.
Cuba is still behind economically.
Putin style regime who seek a return to old soviets?
None of these things are good or ever were.
All these are authoritarian regimes in the past and continue to be.
I’d exclude them too.
Classical Marxism?
Never worked as the above shows.
Cuba is still behind economically.
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Re: McCarthyite Laws Targeting Leftists Are Still on the Books Across the US
The Communist Party of Oklahoma, a branch of the old Communist Party USA.
The larger point of the article is that holdover anti communist laws from the McCarthy era (a period of severe reaction in the USA in the 1950s) are still on the books even though the cold war is over
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I’m sure the communist party of Oklahoma must be something that is possibly only the proletariat wanting to share the means of production with the bourgeois and business class and so on.
(I did read the story btw).
But it’s very much a dead doctrine and a failed one.
As for the Cold War / it’s not ended.
The west is fighting a proxy war trying to protect Ukraine from against an out of control dictator who wants to expand to remake the old Soviet bloc/the USSR.
Putin and acolytes have committed what amounts to genocides, rapes and mass destruction.
Just look at Wagner, the Russian faction of militia currently leading a rebellion in cities like Rostov on Don -they are responsible for a lot of the turmoil in Russia and even Africa and Syria - fighting in the name of Russia.
Communism under soviets or Chinese communists etc is responsible for the deaths and subjugation of millions around the world over decades.
How can these modern “communists” possibly consider even a vague link to such a disastrous doctrine?
(I did read the story btw).
But it’s very much a dead doctrine and a failed one.
As for the Cold War / it’s not ended.
The west is fighting a proxy war trying to protect Ukraine from against an out of control dictator who wants to expand to remake the old Soviet bloc/the USSR.
Putin and acolytes have committed what amounts to genocides, rapes and mass destruction.
Just look at Wagner, the Russian faction of militia currently leading a rebellion in cities like Rostov on Don -they are responsible for a lot of the turmoil in Russia and even Africa and Syria - fighting in the name of Russia.
Communism under soviets or Chinese communists etc is responsible for the deaths and subjugation of millions around the world over decades.
How can these modern “communists” possibly consider even a vague link to such a disastrous doctrine?
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1. The Communist Party USA is opposed to Russia, a neoliberal capitalist state ruled by an oligarchy. 2. Putin is attempting to recreate Czarist Russia, not the USSR, and in fact he blames Lenin for creating Ukraine(!)* and Khrushchev for transferring Crimea to Ukraine in 1956. 3. Putin's United Russia Party is not an internationalist party unlike the old Soviet Party that served as the model for Communist Parties around the world. 4. The current Communist Parties in the West (the US, Canada, Mexico, France, England, Spain, Italy, Holland, etc.) are not affiliated the rump Communist Party of the Russian Federation.delevigne-fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:37 pm ...As for the Cold War / it’s not ended.
The west is fighting a proxy war trying to protect Ukraine from against an out of control dictator who wants to expand to remake the old Soviet bloc/the USSR...
Obviously, we have a different understanding of the Cold War. Here in the US the collapse of the USSR was celebrated as marking the end of the Cold War, with a realignment of diplomatic and military policies that followed. The two Bush II administrations and the two Obama administrations and the Trump administration have kept that realignment in place from the time it was worked out during the Clinton administration. If there is a cold war, it's not a continuity of the Cold War that started in 1946 with the proclamation of the Truman Doctrine.
*In words and deeds, Putin shows he’s rejecting even Soviet-era borders
His speech this week makes it clear he’s out to restore “historic Russia”
"In fact, what Monday’s speech reveals isn’t nostalgia for the Soviet state but Putin’s fury at the incompetence of early communist leaders who built it on such rickety foundations. In his current view, Vladimir Lenin and associates tore apart what Putin thinks of as “historic Russia” — and he is not about to forgive or forget." https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... a-borders/
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Redrosa
I guess you’re right.
Doesn’t make me any fan of any brand of communism from any country or Putin or any other similar dictator.
I guess you’re right.
Doesn’t make me any fan of any brand of communism from any country or Putin or any other similar dictator.
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I find any discussion of the left from the US is a baffling word salad mostly rooted in fear. Yes communism failed but if you look around at capitalism and claim it's worked I'd call BS on that.
The bizarre fear of any policy which is mildly socialist in nature is baffling when of course any extreme dogma is doomed to fail. However, look to the countries with the best life expectancies and best happiness metrics and they tend to be the social democracies of Northern Europe, the US doesn't come close. The odd liberal or socialist policy a) doesn't make anyone a communist and b) doesn't harm the economy either. In fact, often the opposite.
And any communist nowadays has got very little to do with Russian politics anyway. Russia isn't communist anymore, it's now as hyper capitalist as it comes just as much of an autocratic dictatorship as it always was, just under a different flag.
So junk the old McCarthy era laws FFS. They never were fit for purpose. There is far more risk from the right in the US. I didn't see communists storming the capitol.
The bizarre fear of any policy which is mildly socialist in nature is baffling when of course any extreme dogma is doomed to fail. However, look to the countries with the best life expectancies and best happiness metrics and they tend to be the social democracies of Northern Europe, the US doesn't come close. The odd liberal or socialist policy a) doesn't make anyone a communist and b) doesn't harm the economy either. In fact, often the opposite.
And any communist nowadays has got very little to do with Russian politics anyway. Russia isn't communist anymore, it's now as hyper capitalist as it comes just as much of an autocratic dictatorship as it always was, just under a different flag.
So junk the old McCarthy era laws FFS. They never were fit for purpose. There is far more risk from the right in the US. I didn't see communists storming the capitol.
So confused.